Maiden Newton

Maiden Newton

Postby Khris » Fri Sep 18, 2009 9:27 am

Gidday Everyone,
After a fair bit of conpemplation and finally getting hold of a copy of GWR journal, I decided to model Maiden Newton.
Little did I realise how awkward it would be from far away.
Yoyu see pics of everywhere which seem a dime a dozen but suddenly look for Maiden Newton and you have more luck getting blood out of a stone.

Anyway, first pic is the hobby room where it will be setup. As you can see externally I have a fair bit of work still to do....only moved in at the end of April.
Hobby Room 001a.jpg


Next are 3 shots of the benchwork.
The paper on the top is marked where the trackwork will go. I'm high tech here :lol:
You will also see that the ply for the track bed is sitting on the ply framework. It has yet to be lifted to the top of the endboards.
Benchwork 1.jpg

Benchwork 2.jpg

Benchwork 3.jpg


Next are the station building sides I have done to date.
I found to do the quoins, it was easier to make them off the building and then cut them into place.
To do this I removed enough material for the narrower quoins all the way up and then used that as the pattern for the deeper sections....if that makes sense.
The quoins:
Quoins a.jpg


I will upload pics of the sides with the next post.

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Re: Maiden Newton

Postby Khris » Sat Sep 19, 2009 7:31 am

The building itself is done in what I believe is called bagged flint.
Well thats what it was referred to in one book.
I look around online and found flint in the Slaters products but it looked like raindrops to me so opted for Random Stone.
Now I am not sure if it was the right move or not.
Below is a pic to see what other think.
Maiden Newton sides with and without quoins.jpg


From the pics I had seen, it seemed the closet thing at the time.
I have since found some more pics of the station building quite close up and neither the random stone nor the Flint look right.

Below is a link....hopefully to a closeup pic.
http://images.google.com.au/imgres?imgu ... window%3D1

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Re: Maiden Newton

Postby Khris » Sat Sep 19, 2009 7:50 am

Just found another shot while trolling Google and Bing for more pics of MN.
Here is a closer shot ....looks like I have to start the buildings again as my guestimation is badly out looking at this pic enlarged.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Maide ... n_2009.jpg
(This pic is allowed to be shared)

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Re: Maiden Newton

Postby wagonman » Sat Sep 19, 2009 10:40 am

The style is known in Norfolk as knapped flint: basically the flints are struck (knapped) so they break in half and the inside cut face becomes the outer face. In really fancy knapped flintwork, such as churches, the flints are squared off and set with very thin mortar lines. Looks exquisite but must have taken an eternity to do.

Essentially the wall surface is smooth, with just small grooves for the mortar courses. For modelling the best bet is probably to smooth a layer of DAS or other modelling clay between the quoins and then scribe in the courses in best Gordon Gravett style. Colour is dark grey with paler grey for the flint edges and mortar.

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Re: Maiden Newton

Postby Khris » Sat Sep 19, 2009 10:53 am

Thanks Richard.
This Das clay ...Is that Milliput?

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Re: Maiden Newton

Postby wagonman » Sat Sep 19, 2009 4:33 pm

Khris wrote:Thanks Richard.
This Das clay ...Is that Milliput?

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No it's an air-drying modelling material available from art shops. It is, or feels like, a clay. I'm afraid I don't know what the oz equivalent is.
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Re: Maiden Newton

Postby Khris » Sat Sep 19, 2009 9:31 pm

Thanks for that.
I have sourced it in Melb and will order when the shops are open today.

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Re: Maiden Newton

Postby wagonman » Sun Sep 20, 2009 8:56 pm

I should have added that my knowledge of how to use the stuff is still theoretical as I haven't get done it myself (that particular project is on hold pro tem) but the received wisdom is that walls need to be well braced to stop warping, a smear of PVA will help the stuff adhere, as will a few random holes drilled in the wall.

Assuming it reacts like real clay, drying/curing time could be controlled by heat and humidity. But again, that's theoretical! Read anything you can find by Gordon or Maggie Gravett as they are the bee's whatsits.
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Re: Maiden Newton

Postby Khris » Sun Sep 20, 2009 9:17 pm

Wagonman (No idea of your name)
I have been reading up on it and you don't use a heat source.
I've leant out my Right Track Video's so need to wait till they are returned but the guy who does the buildings gives a good demo using it.
The thing I will be unsure of is the actual representation of the flints, given that they are mortared right up to the top.

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Re: Maiden Newton

Postby wagonman » Mon Sep 21, 2009 8:40 am

Khris wrote:I have been reading up on it and you don't use a heat source.


I was referring to ambient temperature.

I've leant out my Right Track Video's so need to wait till they are returned but the guy who does the buildings gives a good demo using it.
The thing I will be unsure of is the actual representation of the flints, given that they are mortared right up to the top.


Having the mortar flush with the face of the flints is unusual - normally there is a sufficient recess to be noticeable.
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Re: Maiden Newton

Postby Khris » Wed Sep 23, 2009 10:02 am

Been a busy vegemite today.
Firstly Wagonman thanks for your help and advice. I have ordered and await delivery to restart the station building.

Today's effort was to get the ply down on the modules for the trackwork.
Been contemplating it and done did it.
No pics yet
Kind of looks odd in that the ply tops are straightish. I haven't followed the track shape as such and the modules won't get their fronts or backs until I am ready to do scenery.

Anyway, in the meantime I have been working on some bodies I won on ebay.
Building a 3 car Non-corridor articulated set.
Thank Pudley for giving me a serve to take some pics, which are below.
The first evenings work 1st/3rd, I made a kurfufle of the body (and I hadn't had a drink except for coffee)
Looked at it last night and pulled it apart and redid with the actual correct spacings.....namely where the left hand lot of styrene is.

E 133 Dia 1340 001a.jpg


Got to admit, I haven't had so much fun cutting, filing and filling as I have had on this project.

The following night I did the Brake/3rd.
If you look at the pic, you will see I still have to cut out the second door window on each side.

E 133 Dia 1340 002a.jpg


Still have to clean up the new styrene on the 1st/3rd and then onward to the centre all 3rd car.

They may not have run through Maiden Newton, I don't know , but it is something different.
I'll post some updates as I get them done.

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Re: Maiden Newton

Postby Puds » Wed Sep 23, 2009 9:01 pm

Looking good Khris, always enjoy watching these kinda projects.

So, what make are the bodies then, as they look like Graham Farish ones by the looks of it?
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Re: Maiden Newton

Postby Khris » Wed Sep 23, 2009 9:17 pm

Gidday Puds,
I think they are Dapol...is that the same???
They were bodies only

I was surprised at how quick and simple a job it was really.
Will have to source inserts for seating or make up my own, and paint.

Has anyone used the articulation units produced by...I think Blacksmith models??
They use a press stud in the centre.

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Re: Maiden Newton

Postby Puds » Wed Sep 23, 2009 9:30 pm

Khris wrote:I think they are Dapol...is that the same???
Nope, two totally different manufacturers, and GF/Grafar only produce 2mm stuff nowadays. Have you stripped the paint off of them then, or were they already like that, as they appear to have no livery?

I was surprised at how quick and simple a job it was really.
Did you get the inspiration for the project elsewhere then?

Will have to source inserts for seating or make up my own, and paint.
Ratio produce these, or at least they used to :idea:
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Re: Maiden Newton

Postby Khris » Wed Sep 23, 2009 9:54 pm

The bodies came as is.
Moulded in a burgandy plastic.
I had seen pics of the articulated cars and liked them. When I looked them up in the Russelll GW coaches book 2 I only saw the corridor ones at first, THEN I saw the non-corridor ones :D .
Placed the bodies up against the drawings and that was it.
The general aim is to have a mixture of rollingstock that was around in the 30's and 40's.
These came in just nicely.. :D

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Re: Maiden Newton

Postby Puds » Wed Sep 23, 2009 10:11 pm

Well, I have a feeling they're Graham Farish/Grafar bodies, that's if they are actually RTR ones.
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Re: Maiden Newton

Postby Khris » Thu Sep 24, 2009 7:37 am

Todays effort consisted of starting to mark out the track centres.
As you will see in the attached pic I have done a fair bit but have to adjust the mainline as I have used 60mm centres instead of 45mm.
Phew, at least I hadn't done the goods yard yet!! :o
Then I would not have been a happy camper.
The tops are not done to meet specifically....so look a hodge podge but then again by the time I am finished, they'll be trimmed off anyway.

Layout 001a.jpg


Now to get back onto my articulated set for this evening.

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Re: Maiden Newton

Postby Tim » Thu Sep 24, 2009 10:54 am

Puds wrote:Well, I have a feeling they're Graham Farish/Grafar bodies, that's if they are actually RTR ones.


Definitely Airfix/Dapol ex LMS non corridor suburban bodies. I know that cos I've got several of them myself for various cut and shut purposes!
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Re: Maiden Newton

Postby stu » Thu Sep 24, 2009 11:00 pm

They may not have run through Maiden Newton, I don't know


Hi,
I've never seen any reference to suburban artic units either on the mainline or on the branch but the corridor ones were used in the 30's on the mainline and in particular on the boat trains sets so you may not be stretching modellers license too far.

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Re: Maiden Newton

Postby wagonman » Fri Sep 25, 2009 2:44 pm

stu wrote:
They may not have run through Maiden Newton, I don't know


Hi,
I've never seen any reference to suburban artic units either on the mainline or on the branch but the corridor ones were used in the 30's on the mainline and in particular on the boat trains sets so you may not be stretching modellers license too far.

Stu


The suburban units were confined to the London area until the late '50s when some did find their way to Bristol. So far as I know they were always run as 6-car sets. Harris gives the vehicle numbers as follows:

D.93 (B/3rd) 9801/6/7/12/3/8
C.53 (3rds) 9802/5/8/11/4/7
E.126 (compos) 9809/10/5/6
E.133 (compos) 9803/4

As two of the sets were made up of 2x3-car units there should thus be four semi-articulated composites which implies that Russell has got his diagrams mixed up (not for the first time) and thus what you have built is in fact a E.126. Presumably, like with the mainline stock, the numbering within sets was consecutive: your set could for instance be 9810+9811+9812 (starting with the compo).

By the way, what period are you modelling?
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Re: Maiden Newton

Postby Khris » Fri Sep 25, 2009 11:31 pm

Hi Wagonman,
Modelling around 30's and 40's but NOT post nationalisation.
Looks like I will have to buy a licence :lol:
Might have to look at hacking some of these other bodies into corridor stock.
I just liked the idea of some compartment stock apart from the B sets.

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Re: Maiden Newton

Postby stu » Sat Sep 26, 2009 10:26 am

Might have to look at hacking some of these other bodies into corridor stock.
I just liked the idea of some compartment stock apart from the B sets.


Hi,
You've probably seen this over on the the other place but this might be of interest if you're after some alt coaching.

Still need to get another brake to make a 3 car set but a 4 car "D" set (I think?) brake/compo/3rd/brake were pretty common on sevices between Weymouth and Westbury/etc. IIRC you could hack an all 3rd out of a compo and brake.
Wey-Yeovil locals were often scratch corridor sets though I've seen pics of both corridor and sub stock on this though in early days.

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Re: Maiden Newton

Postby Khris » Sat Sep 26, 2009 10:31 am

stu wrote:
Might have to look at hacking some of these other bodies into corridor stock.
I just liked the idea of some compartment stock apart from the B sets.


Hi,
You've probably seen this over on the the other place but this might be of interest if you're after some alt coaching.

Still need to get another brake to make a 3 car set but a 4 car "D" set (I think?) brake/compo/3rd/brake were pretty common on sevices between Weymouth and Westbury/etc. IIRC you could hack an all 3rd out of a compo and brake.
Wey-Yeovil locals were often scratch corridor sets though I've seen pics of both corridor and sub stock on this though in early days.

Stu


Stu,
No I hadn't seen it but will look into it.
Thanks, the feedback is good.

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Re: Maiden Newton

Postby stu » Sat Sep 26, 2009 10:36 am

Ooooooooooooops - just awarded myself yo-yo of the week award ! :oops: :oops:

http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/viewtopic. ... 50#p275337

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Re: Maiden Newton

Postby Khris » Sat Sep 26, 2009 11:03 am

No worries there.
I had subscribed to your thread but well after that stuff was posted.

Have you rewheeled your railcar??
Assuming it is the Lima one!
I believe that it can be done as I saw one advertised having finescale wheels.
I am going to have to do that as well to one I purchased.

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